Digital Convergence Episode 111: Where’s My Jetpack?


In this episode we answer listener questions:

  • RED sues Sony
  • Canon releases official firmware update to correct C300 color fringing
  • Apple cuts prices and increases specs on Retina Macbook Pros
  • Interesting infographic: Film Industry By The Numbers
  • Water jet pack filmed by Devin Grahm
  • Listener feedback

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CARL 00:00 This is the Digital Convergence Podcast, Episode 111. [music] We would like to welcome you to another exciting edition of The Digital Convergence Podcast, the number one talk show about photography, video, and post-production. This is Episode Number 111, “Where’s my Jetpack?”

MITCH 01:07 How was timing? [laughter]

CARL 01:10 The Digital Convergence Podcast is sponsored by the following fine sponsors: CrumplePop, film and broadcast effects for Final Cut Pro.

MITCH 01:48 You didn’t pause. [sound effect]

CARL 01:50 Alright.
MITCH 01:51 I have to send it back today.

CARL 01:53 You’d better get an audio recording of that, so we can have it.

MITCH 01:56 Yes, sir.

CARL 01:59 The DCP team today is Mr. Chris Fenwick of Slice Editorial and, constantly cranking out a lot of cool content there. Your latest, we saw, was the Sparse Image tutorial.

CHRIS 02:13 Even if I can’t spell it.

CARL 02:16 That’s alright, but you can talk.

MITCH 02:18 Yes, he can talk alright.

CHRIS 02:21 I’m not good with the words.

MITCH 02:22 It was really well done, Chris.

CHRIS 02:23 Thank you.

CARL 02:24 It was. It was nice and I want your template for that, for Final Cut Pro 10.

CHRIS 02:30 I will make that available as a thing to download from the place on the deal. [laughter]

CARL 02:36 We’ll have a…I think it’s called a hyperlink to a download file to this whatchamacallit on the “inter-tubes” called a website, is that it?

CHRIS 02:48 Something like that. I’ll make it available on the Inter-tubes.

MITCH 02:50 And it will be on the show notes?

CARL 02:52 Show notes?

CHRIS 02:56 When I have the time to make it available, it will be on the same link as where the video is.
Currently, it’s at the top of but you can put a direct link in the signature.

CARL 03:07 Very good and we also have Mr. Planet Mitch there, What’s happening in your world, Mr. Planet Mitch?

MITCH 03:13 I’m taking a drink, caught me. I thought Chris was going to talk a little bit longer, there.

CHRIS 03:20 I did not realize that Mitch had a drinking problem.

CARL 03:24 So guys, that intro that I played before the actual show intro, did you guess where that was from?

MITCH 03:33 It had to be Irwin Allen.

CARL 03:35 Bingo, yes. Irwin Allen.

CHRIS 03:37 Land of the Giants?

CARL 03:39 No.

MITCH 03:40 Lost in Space?

CHRIS 03:42 No, it wasn’t Lost in Space.

CARL 03:43 No, it’s very close.

CHRIS 03:45 What was it?

CARL 03:46 It is The Time Tunnel.

MITCH 03:29 That was my other one.

CARL 03:51 We’ve actually talked about that on this show before.

MITCH 03:52 Yeah, we did.

CARL 03:53 Yeah, well they’ve got all 30 episodes on Hulu right now, and when you’re sick you don’t feel like doing anything. So, I came across The Time Tunnel.

CHRIS 04:02 You’re watching 50-year old television?

MITCH 04:04 Oh, god. I love it.

CARL 04:05 Can you believe it is 40 years, almost 40-something years old. But, I love the phrases in there. “Maximize Retrieval Power! Maximize Retrieval Power!” I just love all this stuff. “Do you have a fix on Doug? No, I don’t have a fix on Doug. Well, Increase power.” The solution is to increase power for everything. I just love it. And then you got that great, big sage Air Force computer that was used in the Irwin Allan set for Time Tunnel.

Even after all these years, and you know it’s outdated because you got tape reels running. Every time they come to a historical scene, Haywood Kirkland, he’s the Colonel that’s in charge of the facility, and he’ll say, “Okay, we need to input into the computer, where we are. Where are we?” I’m thinking, today we would say,” Google that.” [laughter]. What does Wikipedia say about the Earl of Huntington? Oh, yeah, he’s the basis of the legend of Robin Hood. Oh well.

CHRIS 05:11 The Time Tunnel, 1966-67.

CARL 05:15 Yeah, it never ended. It didn’t get renewed a second season.

CHRIS 05:18 Well, they don’t need to because they can just go back in time and redo the first season again.

CARL 05:23 You know, back in 2002, they did a pilot to do a re-boot, but it didn’t take.

MITCH 05:52 I saw some behind-the scenes on The Time Tunnel. It’s funny, because we were just watching it a month-and-a-half ago. My wife got me into this. She wanted to see Gidget. We looked up Gidget on YouTube and then to make a long story short, we ended up on The Time Tunnel. Anyway, long story short there. There’s some cool behind-the-scenes stuff on YouTube. You should check it out on The Time Tunnel.

CARL 05:56 Yeah. You could see the genesis of that movie that came out a year or two ago about…what was it called? “Cowboys and Aliens.”

MITCH 06:02 Yeah.

CARL 06:03 There was one episode in there that was very cheesy. But I said yeah, so that’s the genesis of that movie. You see, there is nothing new under the sun.

CHRIS 06:12 Sure, nothing.

CHRIS 06:13 No originality in Hollywood at all.

MITCH 06:15 Something like nine plots or something like that, ever?

CHRIS 06:17 That’s it.

MITCH 06:18 Yeah.

CARL 06:19 Hmm.

MITCH 06:20 Hmmm. End of the show, there you go.

CARL 06:24 That’s it. We don’t have anything else to talk about.

CHRIS 06:27 We want to thank the sponsors and thanks to all the listeners. Send us your viewer mail. Later, bye. [music]

CARL 06:40 Oh, my goodness. There’s a lot going on in video world.

MITCH 06:44 There is a lot going on and I want to thank you, by the way, for grabbing a whole bunch of news items that we may or may not have cover. I want to start off with something that’s not on your list.

CARL 06:57 Okay.

MITCH 06:58 I teased last week about some big, new announcement and it still actually hasn’t been officially announced yet, but the contracts are signed and work is actually going on. I have told the other party that I’m going to announce it on today’s show.

CARL 07:16 Oh, cool.

MITCH 07:17 Whether he’s cool with it or not, I don’t know, but it will be announced officially on planet5D and on cinema5D later Wednesday or Thursday.

CHRIS 07:27 But we’re going to talk about it today on our show?

MITCH 07:30 Yeah.

CARL 07:31 Let’s do it and I think you just gave us a clue.

MITCH 07:35 A clue…I was wondering if anybody was paying attention.

CARL 07:37 You gave us a clue and I wonder if our listeners picked up on that.

CHRIS 07:40 Was it the clue, “the other party?”

MITCH 07:43 No, I mentioned a website name in my…

CARL 07:46 Cinema5D.

MITCH 07:48 Actually, a lot of people get confused between planet5D and cinema5D, and I’ve actually on videos before , said cinema5D instead of planet5D.

CARL 07:59 You’re kind of following Napoleon Hill’s Think and Grow Rich idea, there. You knew you would always assimilate cinema 5D. You thought it and it became so real to you that it actually happened. You don’t even know how you got there.

MITCH 08:13 It is happening. It is happening. The announcement is that cinema5D and planet5D are sort of going to become one. Cinema5D is actually going to still exist. But Sebastian, the owner, is moving on to do different things. He has got some plans for cinema5D’s future. He will not be doing news. He is going to be doing something else, which I have to let him announce. But, in order to facilitate that, I’m taking all of the forums and the video log. All of that stuff is coming over to be a part of planet5D, which I am incredibly excited about.

CARL 08:54 Very cool.

MITCH 08:56 Planet5D is just like massively increased in size.

CARL 09:03 Your gravitational pull has increased.

MITCH 09:06 Yeah, I hadn’t thought about that. Yes, our gravitational pull has increased threefold and we are now a bigger planet.

CARL 09:14 Very cool.

MITCH 09:16 I’m very excited about that.

CARL 09:17 It kind of reminds me of that movie that had…what was his name? Maximallion something or another.

MITCH 09:23 Smart?

CARL 09:25 No.

MITCH 09:26 Maxwell Smart…

CARL 09:28 It was a horrible movie though, I’m sorry. The Black Hole, that’s it. I was just thinking of gravitational pull, never mind.

MITCH 09:37 That is actually, hopefully. Well, not hopefully, it’s going to happen this weekend. We’ve got a couple of bugs still to work out in terms of the data. We’ve been working on it for a couple of days.

CARL 09:51 Will this be a sub-domain of or will it be a separate website?

MITCH 09:56 No, it will be a subsection of, and I would give you the URL but then people would start going there and it’s not got live data on it. It’s got some bugs and stuff, so I don’t really want people going there yet.

CHRIS 10:10 We can wait.

MITCH 10:12 This weekend it will happen.

CHRIS 10:14 That’s so cool. I think that’s awesome.

MITCH 10:16 It is awesome, thank you. I’m super excited to have 28,000 new members of planet5D. We do have a forum and it gets a little bit of traffic, but it’s never reached the critical mass that cinema5D did. I applaud Sebastian and the entire crew over there for making cinema5D such a wonderful place to be.

CARL 10:41 Will you be integrating the old forums from Planet5D into your new one?

MITCH 10:47 Actually, I’m not. I’ve toyed with that idea, actually, but what we’re doing is we’re taking the cinema5D forums and we’re putting it on a new, more robust forum software called V-bulletin, which is what’s causing some of the little minor issues that we’re going to have to deal with. For example, passwords do not come over. When you come over to the new forum, you’ll have to reset your password right off the bat, which is a little nit.

CARL 11:21 You probably should do that anyway.

MITCH 11:23 That’s right, very good point. You should do it anyway. But, we’ll also have a way to register via Twitter or Facebook, so new users will just simply click a button or two like they’re used to doing, if they associate their Twitter account with some other application. Twitter and Facebook are becoming the universal logins.

CHRIS 11:46 Yeah, that’s weird. Is that a real thing?

CARL 11:50 What is that? Is that an OAuth or whatever they call it. It is strange.

MITCH 11:55 Yes, but it makes it really easy as opposed to people having to put in a userid and a password and their address, and whether or not their mother’s maiden name is purple or green or all that stuff. You just simply click a button and say yes, I authorize Facebook to make a connection between these two places and you’re happy and you go on.

CARL 12:17 Now, what can we expect in the forums? Let’s say some of our listeners have not taken advantage of forums. What can they expect in your new forum and why should they go there?

CHRIS 12:31 Because it’s awesome.

MITCH 12:34 Because it’s the fount of all knowledge of DSLR video and…

CARL 12:39 It’s the fountain of youth for camera users.

MITCH 12:42 The aim of most forums is to be a place where people go and find the answers or ask questions or tell people about projects they’re working on. Any kind of thing that’s related to film making, we aren’t going to just limit…and this has been true for both planet5D and cinema5D for a while. There is a bigger world than just shooting video on DSLRs. So, there will be…

CHRIS 13:11 Huh?

MITCH 13:12 Yes, I know, Chris. Thank you.

CARL 13:15 I think that’s a very good point, and I think I’ve even noticed that in some of the blog posts that you’ve been making, you’ve really been addressing a lot of the still photography world, which I think is great. In fact, when this podcast started I truly envisioned it being equal parts video and photography, because we’ve gotten really heavy on the video side.

CHRIS 13:36 Right. You shouldn’t have let me on the show.

MITCH 13:38 Well, there’s a reason for that. There has been a lot of interest in that.

CARL 13:43 Well, yeah.

MITCH 13:44 But at the same time, I don’t want to forget the photography side of it, because I personally love photography. I want to grow that section of the forum as well. There’s always been on cinema5D, a photography place, but it doesn’t get a whole lot of traffic. It’s going to be a little bit of an evolutionary kind of thing to try to add additional pieces as people get involved. But, we certainly want to make it obviously bigger and answer more questions for people. Most people that are in this space right now do both things. They shoot video and stills. I don’t want to ignore the stills altogether. Go ahead.

CHRIS 14:26 You know what I really like about your site, Mitch? It’s personalized and it’s curated. I don’t know if you remember this, but back in the olden days of like Mac Groomer sites, you’d go to the different sites…I still have all these tabs on my laptop here. There’s probably 10 different…there used to be like Crazy Apple Rumors, and Loop Rumors, and Apple Insider, and Mac Observer. Back before the invention of the RSS Feed, they were really unique and they each had their own personality.

But, after the invention and the proliferation of RSS Feeds, they all started to read exactly alike. People were just writing little scripts that says go get this RSS thing, and then float into my style and have it be part of my page. I like your site because when I go to it, I know that you’ve sifted through it and decided whether or not I should see it. I actually like that. I don’t know how to describe it but there’s like a comfort zone. This is going to be good stuff, because I like the way that Mitch…I like your take on things, and it doesn’t feel like I’m reading just another RSS Feed.

CARL 15:46 I think one of the cool features of some of Mitch’s articles is, it will say…I’m talking about him as if he wasn’t even sitting here on this show.

MITCH 15:57 My wife does it all the time.

CARL 16:00 But, he’ll say I talked to…I don’t know. I can’t think of the name right off the top of my head. Let’s say David Sheman, photographer. He’d say, I talked to David and this is what he had to say about this particular photo or this particular film. I like that. It’s not like he’s really editorializing a whole lot. He’s just saying, “Hey, here’s what this artist said,” and passes it onto us and I think that’s pretty cool.

MITCH 16:30 Thanks, guys.

CARL 19:32 So, good stuff. Well, this is exciting. You’re taking on the forum part of cinema5D. Now, cinema5D will continue as a website under its current…whoever owns…I forgot.

MITCH 16:45 Sebastian.

CARL 16:46 Sebastian, he has different plans for what that’s going to be. It will be interesting to see what that is. The meat of the website, the forum is going to be under the universe of

CHRIS 17:01 That’s very cool.

MITCH 17:02 That is very cool. Thanks, guys.

CARL 17:05 Hey, I understand the Canon C300 can see again.

MITCH 17:11 It is, it can. I’m a little confused by this and I apologize. I told Carl earlier in email, I’ve been kind of out-of-pocket in terms of news the last week or so, because I’ve been working so hard on this whole forum thing. I actually thought there was a firmware release a month, month-and-a half ago that fixed this purple fringing thing, but it’s at least become very popular in the news circles.

CARL 17:42 What happened I think, if I’m reading this correctly, some did get it earlier. They sent their camera in for repair, those who had a notice of a problem. When they sent their camera in for repair, then Canon just quietly updated the firmware to handle that particular problem. That’s kudos to Canon for taking care of that.

MITCH 18:08 You know, that makes a lot of sense, because that’s what the article that I posted from Paul Joy probably two months ago, said you’re right. That’s how he found out about the firmware. In my mind, it was released already.

CARL 18:19 Yeah. That’s a camera I would like to try sometime. I just can’t afford that. I can’t justify it. I’ll have to rent it sometime.

MITCH 18:27 Even rental feels can really get to you if you’re not careful.

CARL 18:31 I think we mentioned this a couple of shows back. That’s a camera that’s in hot demand in rental houses, so it does command top dollar.

MITCH 18:38 Right.

CARL 18:39 Anyway, it would be fun to try it, I guess. Oh, well. So much for that. Has Jim Jannard lost his stinking head?

MITCH 18:51 No, I don’t think so.

CARL 18:52 Tell me why.

MITCH 18:55 What a set up.

CARL 18:57 No disrespect to Jim Jannard, even though he doesn’t respect us.

MITCH 19:05 That’s for sure. I don’t think he’s lost his head in terms of, he believes he has a patent and the patent office apparently says he has a patent. Excuse me, I’ll switch.

CARL 19:22 The patent office has told two different…two entirely unrelated vendors that they both have the patent to the podcast to podcasting. I just wonder how in the world that’s going to play out.

MITCH 19:35 Well, we’ve talked about that before. The patent office, potentially, is really screwed up at this point. What are they going to do to fix it? I don’t know. Because, you know, we all think that they seem to give away patents for the first person who comes up with an idea or maybe this third person that comes up with the idea that bothers to spend the money to get it “patented.”

CARL 20:05 What we’re talking about here is RED is suing Sony and what are the cameras…I can never keep track of these cameras. The F16, F5…

CHRIS 20:17 F5, F55, F66 or something like that?

CARL 20:22 Yeah, okay, that’s it. What they’re doing is, is it’s the way the Sony camera handles their raw processing, so I guess RED is saying for 4K, they’ve got their own, unique proprietary thing that makes their raw so rock-n-raw.

MITCH 20:40 Which they call RED Raw.

CARL 20:41 RED Raw, yeah. Sony is infringing on it. I guess what makes this whole lawsuit thing so bodacious, as we would say here in the south, is they want Sony to go back and destroy all these cameras.

MITCH 20:59 Yeah, right.

CARL 21:01 What’s that about?

MITCH 21:05 I don’t know. I think that part of it seems sensationalism to me.

CHRIS 21:12 It gets them in the news. A lot of times, these patent lawsuits are more about getting people in the news. Yes, they’re trying to make money or save the money that they’re making. I think the whole patent world is ridiculous and it frustrates me. The one that is of more interest to me right now is the one that’s going on about this company in Texas that’s suing all the podcasters.

CARL 21:44 That one’s really…that hits home a little bit.

CHRIS 21:47 That hits a little too close to home. They’ve already settled with, I think it’s Discovery, and essentially, do you think the Discovery network is going to roll over like that? They’ll go,”Yeah, yeah. We’ll just give you a bunch of money, just leave us alone.” See, I don’t think that is what’s going on. I think what’s happened with this podcast lawsuit…what’s the name of the company? I can’t remember. I don’t know. I Google-ized but I can’t read and talk at the same time. But essentially, I think what they’ve done is you send out the letters to the biggest offenders or the potentially biggest whales.

And then, when one of them responds back, and I think this is fairly well known that this happens a lot in these patent lawsuits. They say, “Look, I’ll tell you what. You and I, let’s just tell everybody we’ve settled and we won’t charge you anything but we’re not going to talk about this settlement.” By doing that, they immediately have more clout with the next guy. “Well, hey, Discovery settled so I guess you’re going to have to settle, too, for only a million dollars.” Or whatever. I think that’s what’s going on. I know that Adam Corolla was sued.

CARL 23:13 I don’t think he’s settled, though.

CHRIS 23:15 No, he hasn’t.

CARL 23:16 Isovolta Media is the current company that’s doing this.

CHRIS 23:20 Right. It’s a big deal. I mean, it could change the ubiquitous name of podcasting, if all of a sudden you have to have a special license and pay a fee. It’s not good. It’s not good.

CARL 23:38 The other thing is, for some time we’ve lived behind the umbrella of Apple and Google because they take some of the heat of this. They’re not going after iTunes, which is the distribution mechanism for this. They’re going after the individual podcaster.

CHRIS24:00 Right. That’s where it probably smells much more of these patent trolls. They go out there and chase this stuff down. They’re better off trying to settle with 50 people than trying to settle just with Apple. You don’t want to pick a fight with Apple.

CARL 24:20 This thing is so broad and so vague, I don’t know how it got approved. It’s called Method for Providing Episodic Media Content. A personalized media service provides, for example, user customization of radio channel selections, immediate availability of multiple preprogrammed and/or customized channels. The ability to intersperse different types of content including periodically refreshed information content. Availability of personal radio functions on devices such as car audio systems, PDAs, SmartPhones, MP3 players, etc.

Available channels include preprogrammed channels selected for the user based on an interest profile, user-owned content, user-specific ,recorded content. It’s everything that goes…it goes back to my old 1972 Nova that had the little push button selectors on there, right? So now they’ve got to go after GM all the way back to 1972, to my Nova because I had personalized FM and AM radio selection tuner buttons on my radio.

MITCH 25:31 And they’re going to destroy the car based on RED’s lawsuit.

CARL 25:35 Yeah, that’s right. So, go destroy my old ’72 Nova.

CHRIS 25:40 If this was such a big deal, why are we waiting to 2013? The patent was filed in 1996. Podcasting became a thing in 2004, 2005? Why has it taken them 9 years to get around to this?

CARL 25:58 Exactly. It was filed in November of 2003. It was granted in 2009, which I do not understand. Why did it take six years to grant the patent?

MITCH 26:12 That vague of a patent?

CARL 26:13 That vague of a patent, so they granted it. It must have been 4:45 in the patent office. Oh, man, I need to get home to my…you know, rubber stamp – boom. It’s done.

CHRIS 26:33 This Week in Law with Carl Olson.

CARL 27:31 I’m not a lawyer, man. This is affecting a lot of people. Even in Reets TV, we’ve got customers being affected by patents there, over this stupid idea that somebody can actually patent the idea that…let’s say, you got your shirt wet. What does your wife say? You’re getting ready to go out to the restaurant, your shirt’s a little wet…

MITCH 26:58 She says, “That looks sexy.”

CARL 27:00 Yeah, right. She pulls out the hair dryer and says, “Here, honey. Let me take care of that.” She takes the hair dryer and blows that. Did you know that’s patented now? The idea of directed heat on a water spot to dry it. That whole concept is patented.

MITCH 27:15 What? Absurd.

CHRIS 27:22 Here’s an absurd patent. Clear Channel tried to patent the idea of recording a concert live and selling a CD as you walked out of the concert venue. Because basically what they were going to do is multi-track and mix down a two-track version of the show, and have a bank of burners to just go bzzz, bzzz, and you could buy a CD of that concert as you walked out of the venue. Clear channel tried to patent. I don’t know if they got away with it. They have enough money, they probably did, to patent that as an idea so nobody else could…what? Make a recording and sell it quickly? What is the patent? You can’t record and sell fast, that’s my idea. [laughter] Yes! It’s unique, totally unique.

CARL 28:12 Alright. We’ve really gone down a really bad rabbit hole, and I set a bad precedent for that.
Let’s end on a bit of a high note.

MITCH 28:24 A high note?

CARL 28:25 A high note.

MITCH 28:27 Our stock note. [laughter]

CARL 28:31 We did run with the lead, right?

MITCH 28:32 Yes, we did.

CARL 28:33 Okay, that’s pretty cool and everything else was downhill from that point on.

CHRIS 28:39 What’s the next story you want to talk about?

CARL 28:40 I want to talk about these reduced pricing on these retina display Mac Books.

CHRIS 28:46 That sounds like a good deal.

CARL 28:47 This is a pretty good…

CHRIS 28:48 Can I get some money back?

CARL 28:50 I doubt it, but if you’re going to buy a Notebook now, this is pretty cool.

CHRIS 28:55 It increased its…it said it was also more something…more retinas or whatever? What is the…it’s more than a lower price, it’s more stuff, too. What was the upgrade?

CARL 29:12 I’m looking at a 13-inch Retina MacBook Pro now starts at $1,499 for 128 gigabyte solid-state Flash storage and $1,699 for 256 gigabyte storage. The higher end model also includes 2.6 GHz Intel core i5. Of course, I would do a build-to-order and get an i6. Of course, I don’t know if you could do that with a 13…15 is i7. Of course, rumor has it that Dino, we’ve always gotten rumors wrong on this podcast. Well, anyway. Everybody wonders where in the world is the MAC Pro. It’s in the 15-inch core i7 MacBook Pro.

CHRIS 30:09 It is a speed boost.

CARL 30:10 Yeah, it’s a speed boost.

CHRIS 30:12 Wait a second, with a higher end version getting bumped up to 2.7 GHz quad core…mine is a 2.7 GHz quad core that I got last summer.

CARL 30:28 But, yours was a build-to-order, right?

CHRIS 30:31 Yes, but you’re saying the build-to-order is even more than that now?

CARL 30:34 I don’t know. I don’t know.

CHRIS 30:36 We can consult the book of knowledge.

CARL 30:39 You know, I’m not real good at keeping up with this because once I buy the gear, I use it and…

CHRIS 30:44 You stop shopping?

CARL 30:45 I stop shopping, man. I don’t look, even though I have a podcast where we talk about hardware and all this kind of stuff. But the 13-inch MacBook Pro, I think it was $1,700 originally. So, you’re saving roughly $200 now for the same model.

CHRIS 31:03 Yeah, I did the speed. But when I bought mine, I got the right-hand column and all the stuff that you can get. Then the build-to-order bump-able version is actually now 3 gigahertz i7s. Yeah, that’s cool…and cheaper.

CARL 31:20 Yeah, cool.


CARL 31:29 Alright. Let’s take a moment and talk about our friends at CrumplePop, film and broadcast effects
for Final Cut Pro. A couple of weeks ago, we had Dale Grahn, color timer, on the show, remember

MITCH 31:43 Really? I must have missed that.

CARL 31:45 You must have missed it. Of course, poor Dale. We had a horrible time with Skype.

MITCH 31:54 Oh, I remember that.

CARL 31:55 Oh, my word. Two hours to record one hour of content. He was very, very gracious, but Gabe is releasing some video interviews that he did with him. The latest one, if you go to CrumplePop and go to their blog, Dale spends a couple of minutes talking about his experience working at Pixar. Anyway, you’ll want to check that out.

MITCH 32:18 Will you put a pause on so I can go watch that?

CARL 32:21 No, you’ve got to go catch it later.

MITCH 32:23 Okay.

CARL 32:25 Anyway, just remember there’s a whole plethora of stuff to just take your Final Cut Pro job to the next level. There’s the Color Suite, $299, that includes ColorKit, Grain35, Overlight, HalfLight, and if you use our discount code, DCP20, you can get 20% off that whole package. Is that a deal or what?

CHRIS 32:53 Yes.

CARL 32:54 What would that be? That would be 60 bucks off, right? Almost $60.

CHRIS 33:00 Yeah, and again I’ve said this a million times. The two things I like most about CrumplePop…three things. Stuff looks great, it’s competitively priced, and they have great online tutorials. When you get the plug…I can’t tell you how many times I bought a plugin because I saw the demos, “Oh that looks great.” Then you get the plugin and, “I have no idea what I’m doing.”

CARL 33:23 Yeah, there’s one plugin that they have that I have not tried and I want to. It’s called the Fisheye Fixer for GoPro. Have you guys tried that?
CHRIS 33:34 I don’t have a GoPro. I have no need to…

CARL 33:37 Here’s want I want to do. I want to get that DGAI Quad Copter. It’s $700 and I want to put a GoPro Hero3 on the bottom of that thing, so that’s another $300. I might just get that this summer. You know, I used to be a helicopter pilot student. [laughter] I was just a few hours away from getting my license until I was reminded of my mortality.

MITCH 34:05 Really?

CARL 34:06 Yeah, so I like helicopters.

CHRIS 34:08 I remember going into a hobby shop about a year-and-a-half ago when these people started doing this stuff and I was like, “So, I have an eight-pound camera and I want to fly it under a helicopter.” And he goes, “That’s a real helicopter.” I go yeah, “Yeah, what would that cost?” And he goes, “Have you ever flown a helicopter before?” I said, “No.” He said, “You don’t want to do this.”

CARL 34:29 Yeah. [laughter]

CHRIS 34:30 You do not want to do this.

CARL 34:33 I’ve done aerial photography out of big helicopters, and it’s not an easy thing to do because of the vibrations. They really are jumping around a lot.

CHRIS 34:43 I would like to hear from any one of our listeners that have used that AR Drone that you can buy on the Apple store. Has anybody used it? Send us a letter or voicemail on Carl’s site and tell us what you think of it.

CARL 34:56 Yeah, that would be cool. Anyway, eventually I’ll get that and I’ll share my fun experience. You’ll get to see my first video which will, no doubt, be a tumbling wreck as it goes down into Sweetwater Creek in Atlanta.

CHRIS 35:09 Or how about this? Get a piece of paper and with a Sharpie write, “I love DCP,” and then post it somewhere, and then fly your AR drone right up to it so you can read the, “ I love DCP.”

CARL 35:22 I love it. That is the DCP Challenge.

CHRIS 35:26 The DCP Challenge brought to you by the DCP.

CARL 35:28 I should have talked to Gabe about coming up with a giveaway for that, you know?

CHRIS 35:33 Ah, very cool.

CARL 35:35 Anyway, let’s move along. You know how sometimes we’ll say things in absolute and it will always come back to haunt us?

MITCH 35:45 No.

CARL 35:46 Yeah, like say something is impossible. You know, the danger of saying something is impossible is someone’s going to prove you wrong very quickly, right?

MITCH 35:54 I did that, too, this week. Let me hear yours.

CHRIS 35:57 I’m looking at the show notes trying to figure out where you’re going with this.

CARL 35:59 Well, no. I think last week I made some snide comment about no one’s doing SD anymore in video, standard definition. So, our friend Mike Carroll, The Naked Filmmaker, he says, “Well, this is interesting. A South American film called No up for best foreign language Oscar and The Forerunner is the telling of a TV ad campaign for an election in Chile in 1992, that overturned Augusto Pinoche. To capture that period, it was shot on an old analog video camera at 30P in 4.3. Talk about a tremendous step backwards. He sent me the trailer to that.

CHRIS 36:47 The question is, was it purposely shot that way or was it because there were going to have so much archival footage that they said ah screw it. Let’s just make it 4.3…

CARL 37:00 It was evidently purposely filmed that way, because it’s not so much period pieces as it is actors. You go watch the trailer, you see it is definitely a feature film. Anyway, so never say never, right?

MITCH 37:17 That sounds familiar.

CARL 37:19 Guys, have you ever started a feature film and you ran out of money?

MITCH 37:24 Can we back up before you go on?

CARL 37:26 Sure.

MITCH 37:27 Speaking of things that I’ve said on the show and have to retract…

CARL 37:34 Never, not you.

MITCH 37:37 Yeah, I was using my smartLav from Rode the other day and I was recording something using my iPhone. Do you remember it connects to your iPhone?

CARL 37:47 Yes.

MITCH 37:52 I recorded about five minutes worth and I went back and opened my phone and I said, Oh, because I had it on vibrate. Obviously, I didn’t want it ringing during the show if it happened to ring or whatever. Guess what? The recording cut off as soon as the phone call came in.

CARL 38:04 From what I understand, that cannot…

CHRIS 38:08 You have to use airplane mode.

CARL 38:09 Yeah, you have to go to airplane mode. You cannot short circuit a telephone call.

MITCH 38:13 I was wrong. I am sorry.

CHRIS 38:18 I kind of thought that might be the case, because I actually use the voice memo thing quite a bit. I’ve been sitting there, recording my thoughts or my voice memos, whatever, and had it abort the recording because a call is coming in. That actually kind of makes sense.

MITCH 38:35 Yeah, it does, but I was wrong and I confess.

CHRIS 38:39 I wish I had a Rode Lav, Rode. I know you’re listening because you’re big buddy friends with Mitch and he’s here. I would use it Thursday night when I’m working at where I’m speaking at the SF Cutter’s meeting.

CARL 38:56 Now, the recording app, will it work with any mic or does it have to have the Rode Lav mic?

MITCH 39:02 I’ve been told, and now I have not tried this so I will disclaimer it But, I’ve been told that it works with other mics. I don’t think it really knows.

CARL 39:12 A couple years ago I bought a special cable. It was $20, this is about two years ago. I still have it. It basically takes stereo down to mono and works with the four sleeves and the connector to the iPhone. Then I have an R. Statica, a Lav mic. Excuse me, “Lav mic” which is $17 on Amazon.

MITCH 39:41 Cool. There is a free version of the Rode Rek App called the Rode RekLite, go download it.

CARL 39:48 I’m going to try that, so that’s great. A lot of good options there. I saw this cool poll you can get for your iPhone. It’s got a little tripod mount on it and you can hold it out in front of you, as you’re walking, and you can take video of yourself as you’re walking and talking. Let’s see if I can find what thing is called.

CHRIS 40:12 You know what I want?

CARL 40:14 It’s called the iStabilizer ISTMP01 Smart Phone monopod. It’s $34.95. This is pretty cool.

CHRIS 40:23 What was the model number?

CARL 40:25 iStabilizer ISTMP01, Smart Phone monopod. You can find it on

CHRIS 40:33 I’m waiting for the version 2.0 upgrade.

CARL 40:35 I’m sure. Boy, do we digress, huh?

MITCH 40:41 Yikes.

CARL 40:41 Back to my original question. If you run out of money shooting a feature film, what did you do?

CHRIS 40:48 I got the IS Stabilizer MS. I could finish the movie with my iPhone, of course.

CARL 40:55 I saw this story on the Mac Rumors about this director ran out of money. I guess that happens to a lot of directors, right? He was shooting in super 8 film, which is obscenely expensive these days. Just even for Super 8 film stock. But he said he ran out of money and so he bought this app for a dollar, which I actually had for some time. It’s called 8MM Vintage camera. It is a pretty good little app, though I do prefer FilMiC Pro. I think it does a better job. It has more features suited to the serious iPhone videographer.

MITCH 41:35 This is a great story.

CARL 41:37 Yeah, it is pretty cool.

CHRIS 41:46 As the show deteriorates, we start reading our browsers. [laughter]

CARL 41:51 This is what we do for fun, right? I mean, come on.

CHRIS 41:55 Come and listen to our show while three guys…

CARL 41:58 You know what an expert is? An expert is a person that knows one thing more than the other
Person he’s talking to. If I’ve read it in the browser before you have, I’m an expert, man.

CHRIS 42:08 Yeah, an expert. In these days, an expert is someone who can use Google efficiently.

CARL 42:15 Go on back to The Time Tunnel.

MITCH 42:20 I’m reading ahead, though, so I’m on the next part.

CARL 42:21 Please, just Google it.

CHRIS 42:23 I actually discovered a new website. It’s called Alta Vista and it is what’s called a search engine.

CARL 42:30 Is Alta Vista still around?

CHRIS 42:31 It is.

MITCH 42:32 Oh, yeah.

CHRIS 42:33 You can type questions and queries into it and it will come back…

CARL 42:38 Get out of here, it’s still around. That’s the first search engine I ever used.

CHRIS 42:41 And it comes back with information from the Internet for you.

CARL 42:46 Digital Convergence Podcast.

CHRIS 42:51 It will take you to

CARL 42:52 Wow.

MITCH 42:54 Sue them.

CARL 42:56 I’m in the number one spot for Digital Convergence Podcast.

MITCH 43:01 Great.

CARL 43:02 Of course, wouldn’t I be, right?

MITCH 43:03 There’s only one, right?

CARL 43:05 Yeah, that’s it. Alta Vista, I may just start using them instead of Google.

MITCH 43:13 Bing.

CARL 43:14 Hey, Mitch, you came up with this great, great chart since we were talking about…

MITCH 43:20 You jumped way ahead.

CARL 43:21 I did.

MITCH 43:22 I was reading the next article on your list.

CARL 43:27 That’s the way my brain is today. You know, after you’ve been on antihistamines for a week-and-a
half, you’ve been sick and stir crazy, you just absolutely go nuts.

MITCH 43:36 Yes, I love this chart, too, by the way. It’s very interesting. I’ve also had somebody…

CARL 43:43 So, the name of the chart is?

MITCH 43:46 Film Industry by the Numbers. It’s one of those little info-graphics that somebody put together back in 2010, so it’s actually a little bit old.

CARL 43:57 There was a big sigh from Chris. What’s the deal?

CHRIS 44:01 Oh, I was looking at the time lapse, Enclosure to Exposure site.

MITCH 44:07 See? We’re all over the place.

CARL 44:09 OK, we’ll get back to that in a minute. That is pretty cool for instructables. Okay, Film Industry
by the Numbers.

MITCH 44:16 As with any info-graphic that you find on the web, if you don’t know a 100% whether or not the data’s accurate, and I’ve had a couple of people post on the blog that this graphic was shown to have some inaccurate numbers in terms of revenues and stuff. So, it’s interesting. Make sure you take it with a grain of salt.

CARL 44:41 Well, you would have to because none of these companies are going to release their information. Also, the revenues continue to grow, at least for people like Warner Brothers and Paramount and Sony and all that, because they’re going to continue to get revenue of the movies that they’ve created. So, it’s kind of hard to say.

MITCH 44:58 There’s a section down at the bottom that had a little bit of trouble that says breakdown of your movie ticket and 45% goes to the theater and 55% goes to the studio. To the left of that, they show you a studio breakdown, but they talk about advertising production distribution and actors. Those numbers don’t add up to a 100%. They add up to 55% which doesn’t make any sense.

CARL 45:29 That’s bad math.

CHRIS 45:32 Hold on, hold on. What they’re saying is if you remove the yellow 55% studio and applied it next to the 45% theater fees, that 55…

CARL 45:43 Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got it.

CHRIS 45:46 It’s a sub-breakdown.

MITCH 45:48 Yeah, but it says 17% is set production. Does that mean everything involves production or is that
just set production?

CHRIS 45:57 I’m sure it’s…

MITCH 45:58 And why is actors separated? Where are the directors and food service and everything else go? Is
that part of the 17%? I’m just a little curious about that chart.

CARL 46:07 I wonder if the…

CHRIS 46:09 Well, we should call Irwin Allen, get a Time Tunnel episode back up, go back to 2009 and we could

MITCH 46:17 But, it’s an interesting chart.

CHRIS 46:19 Yeah, it’s very cool.

MITCH 46:20 It makes you think. Especially, I like the part about, I’m going to interrupt, Carl…where it says if you take a family of four to the movies, the average family pays $28. If you go to a baseball game, you’d pay $94 and $280 if you go to a football game. I thought that was pretty cool.

CHRIS 46:38 Yeah, it’s awesome.

MITCH 46:39 What do you want to say, Carl?

CARL 46:41 I don’t know how they come up with $28.72 being average admission, because the tickets are expensive these days.

MITCH 46:50 Well, it was 2009. Let’s not forget those.

CHRIS 46:53 And they were also saying somewhere on here, it said the average ticket price was $7.50 times four…and if you’re not eating. Maybe they’re assuming you’re sneaking food in in your purse.

CARL 47:03 Do you think that theaters will continue to be a viable source?

MITCH 47:09 Alright, let me tell you this. We have a theater, probably several…I just found out about this, but one of the large, 16 theater…

CARL 47:20 Megaplexes.

MITCH 47:21 …megaplexes has just converted to a total, sit-down eat movie theater.

CARL 47:28 Yeah, that seems to be a trend in the metro Atlanta area as well.

MITCH 47:30 Yeah, that’s nice. We went in and did that. Now, I did not particularly care for paying $9 for a hamburger, but the whole experience was very nice. I enjoyed being able to just sit there and eat instead of having to go to a restaurant first or after, depending upon what time you go. Have a beer, whatever while you’re sitting there watching the movie. That’s pretty cool.

CARL 47:54 Yeah, so I would say going to the theater, you do experience a film in a very different way…

MITCH 48:02 Boy, that’s for sure.

CARL 48:03 …than you do at home.

MITCH 48:04 I’m sorry, I was surprised that there weren’t more people making chewing noises. It was rather

CHRIS 48:14 Quiet food only.

CARL 48:16 Do you think the more money people spend, the more well-mannered they might be in that setting? I don’t know.

MITCH 48:25 I was surprised, but I’m always surprised by this. We went to see “The Hobbit” and there were
three children behind us under the age of six. Like, why are you bringing these children to this movie? People, are you…? They didn’t scream throughout the whole thing, which is what I expected. They were very well-behaved but I don’t think that bringing kids to “The Hobbit” is the right thing to do, because there’s all sorts of gore and stuff in there.

CARL 48:59 That is what Chitty-Chitty-Bang Bang is for.

MITCH 49:02 That’s right.

CARL 49:03 Or whatever the current is today. My wife and I rarely go to the movie theater anymore, because
the last few times that I’ve gone, it’s been a dismal, dismal experience. People are rude and it’s
not just one or two people. I mean, it’s the audience is…many people are just stinking rude. They’re having conversations, they’re just…I don’t know, I don’t like it anymore.

MITCH 49:37 My wife and I have a patent on something that we’re going to revolutionize movie theaters with.

CHRIS 49:44 The box seat?

MITCH 49:45 No. [laughter]

CARL 49:46 If you had the code of silence, that would be pretty cool.

MITCH 49:51 We want to bring our own headsets and just plug them in like you would on an airplane or
something, so you get a large theater experience.

CHRIS 50:01 With the noise cancel. Yeah, maybe that would improve it. But, part of the experience of going to theater, like if the audience is in tune with the movie and they’re respectful…let’s say you’re watching a comedy, when they laugh you laugh. Or something funny or something ridiculous happens, we all…you know, you respond to it. But, what you have today in the theater is they’re texting, they’re talking on the telephone, their stinking phones are going off. They’re yelling and cutting up, they’re having conversations. They’re constantly getting up in front of you, going back and forth. They’re not experiencing the movie, they’re just into themselves.

CHRIS 50:41 They’re just out for the evening.

CARL 50:42 Yeah, but it used to be when people went to watch a movie, you experienced the movie together. You laughed at the same things. You know, it was just kind of a different experience to me. I don’t do well with rude situations, so I just don’t do it anymore. Maybe every once in a while.

CHRIS 51:03 It may very well be that part of the problem is that you’re just growing out of it. I do agree that people are changing and having this Internet in your pocket changes the whole world that we live in. But, younger kids are going and like Mitch said, maybe if they’re paying more, though, they’ll respect the experience more. I think there’s a lot to be said for that. I think when you go to the larger theaters where the prices are eight, nine bucks you tend to have a more serious audience.

If you’re going to the smaller theaters or the second-run places that are playing the movies that opened five months ago, it’s a different audience. A lot of different types of groups and venues, they weed out the riff raff by raising the prices and you end up having a better experience. I’ve always thought I would love the opportunity to have valet parking, have a reserved seat, a box seat where I had walls around me, but still had…I’ve got to go against what Mitch is saying about the headsets because you want that surround sound. Like, oh that stuff is behind me.

MITCH 52:16 Right.

CHRIS 52:17 But, if I had a box seat where it was open to the theater. I got the main thing and maybe I had my own surround things in my box, and then add on to that a little push button waitress service with food and snacks so you don’t have to get up, I would pay $100-$150 for a box with 4 seats in it. And if I wanted to, I could push another button and a little glass partition would slide up and remove me acoustically from the main theater if I wanted to sit there and talk. I’m telling you, that to me would be the ideal movie-going experience. Plus, you wouldn’t have to wait in line for an hour just to get one of the…because they’re only six seats I’m willing to sit in in the whole theater, I’ve got to get one of those.

MITCH 53:05 If I can interrupt, Carl. That’s one of the experiences with this theater in St. Louis. You can reserve your seat online…

CARL 53:15 Awesome.

MITCH 53:16 …and pick which seat you’re exactly going to get. They’re assigned seats.

CARL 53:18 Oh, wow. I’m coming to St. Louis to see movies from now on.

MITCH 53:21 I think I like that aspect of it a lot.

CARL 53:23 A couple of other interesting numbers here. It talks about top earners in Hollywood for 2009. Michael Bay…Transformers 2, yes. Steven Spielberg, 85 million. Roland Emmerich, 70 million. James Cameron, 50 million. Todd Phillips…Daniel Radcliffe…Ben Stiller, how in the world did he…he’s 40 million dollars. Are they mixing actors along with director producers here?

MITCH 53:59 It doesn’t say what…

CARL 54:01 How did Ben Stiller beat out Tom Hanks?

MITCH 54:05 Yeah, that surprised me. I would think Tom Hands would be work…it sort of depends on which
movie you’ve got coming out when, I’m sure.

CHRIS 54:13 You’re right.

MITCH 54:15 Those are some amazing numbers. Man, little Harry Potter guy making 41 million dollars.

CARL 54:21 It’s still a big industry, employs a lot of people. It says the American Television and Motion Picture Industry supports 2.5 million jobs, which includes over a 115,000 businesses. What I do think is suspect is this number. It says production worker average salary is $74,400 with 41.1 billion in total wages.

CHRIS 54:57 Wait, do you think that’s high?

CARL 54:51 I do. I don’t think a lot of people are making that kind of money.

CHRIS 54:55 Hold on, wait a second.

MITCH 54:57 That’s all counting the movie theater clerk guy.

CARL 55:00 No, no. I understand. If you live in California, especially if you live in the L.A. Basin and you’re making $74,000 a year, you’re on the verge of homelessness.

MITCH 55:10 Right.

CHRIS 55:12 That’s not much money. I couldn’t live on $74,000 not living where I live.

CARL 55:20 That would be tough.

CHRIS 55:22 Let me take that back. I could, but I would have a radically different lifestyle.

CARL 55:24 Yeah, I guess that’s a good point. Most of these jobs are probably in California for this. Although, Atlanta is beginning to be the scene for a lot of movies being filmed here, so a lot of production work is coming to Atlanta as well. Anyway, of course this is the home of CNN, TBS, The Weather Channel, and other types of broadcasts.

CHRIS 55:55 Did you hear this news story, just the other day, about all the editors from The History Channel’s Swamp People reality show walking off the set?

MITCH 56:04 No.

CHRIS 56:05 It has to do with the IOTSI, I think it’s the local 700. I think it’s in the south, actually. All the editors decided they were going to walk off because of some negotiating issues with the unions or the producers not allowing them to talk about joining in the union, or something like that. 16 people walked off the job yesterday.

CARL 56:31 Well, they knew there was 16 more behind them.

CHRIS 56:35 Absolutely, and to the producers of Swamp People, give us a call at Slice Editorial. We will staff up and build out. We will cut your show. We don’t want to be union. We don’t want to work on union gigs. We will gladly cut your show.

CARL 56:50 Come on, and I’m not taking a position one way or the other, but Georgia is called a ”right to work” state which is a euphemism for, “I can fire you for any reason whatsoever.” I mean, that’s the reality of it. That’s why a lot of these jobs are coming here to Georgia, because Union does not have much clout in the state of Georgia.

MITCH 57:18 We have a movie coming to St. Louis in a couple of months. I’m going to try and get involved with

CARL 57:24 Oh, very good. What’s it called?

MITCH 57:26 I don’t have the foggiest idea anymore.

CARL 57:30 So, you just dive right in to anything that comes along regardless of…? Just teasing. I’ve got to move on. This show is…I need to talk about another sponsor here. We need to talk about Have you guys…?

CHRIS 57:45 Sound effect?

CARL 57:46 No sound effect.

CHRIS 57:48 Say it again. Say it one more time.

CARL 57:49 [sound effect] You can take your business with the next level if you join their membership site, right? Seriously, if you do want to get on the fast track to success in the video production and film making industry. You might even come to know these terms like ”right to work states” and things like that. What’s above the line, below the line, writing video proposals. Anyway, you need to check out There’s an insider community there, where people just like yourself are posting messages, their experiences, asking questions.

I was looking at it just the other day, and I noticed there was this one person who was talking about their proposal for shooting a television ad. The person responded to the advice that was given, and they actually ended up making a lot more money by applying what was suggested. Now, I’m not making a statement that your income is going to go one way or the other with this, but any time you educate yourself about business it’s going to affect your bottom line. If you apply what you learn, it’s going to affect your bottom line in a positive way.

I was just listening to an artist, just the other day, they were talking about, “I can’t stand business.” It is absolutely hated. It was a photographer, actually. “Just can’t stand it, hate it, hate it, hate it.” I think, “Wow, that’s a really bad attitude.” You might as well learn to enjoy it, because you can be just as creative on the business side of developing your business. I think if you join, you’ll see that there’s a lot of good information there. It’s practical. Their Expert Interrogation series is very interactive.

If you’re ever able to catch that live, I would suggest doing that. There’s a chat room for that as well. DCP listeners can join up for a free 30-day membership. You can test drive the membership risk-free for 30 days, and no credit card is required. So, you can access just about everything. About the only thing you can’t get are the e-books, and that’s understandable.

The membership is $24 a month or you can join for a $197 for a year, which is significant…[cough] Excuse me. I didn’t hit the cough switch fast enough. Anyway, $197 is a significant discount over paying for it monthly. Either way, it’s a good deal so I’d check it out. The discount is available at for Digital Convergence Podcast.


CARL 01:01:00 That makes me feel so good to hear that. I know, I let it go but I was dancing in my chair. Have you ever done chair dancing?

MITCH 01:01:08 I do it all the time because I sit

CARL 01:01:10 I’m just rocking because we got some good feedback this week from our listeners.

CHRIS 01:01:17 Does anybody who works on the show Swamp People at work listen?

CARL 01:01:22 I don’t know.

MITCH 01:01:26 Chris is desperate for work, okay?

CHRIS 01:01:28 Actually, I’m not. I just would love to cut a show and…

CARL 01:01:34 Chris wants to cut for Swamp People, people. [laughter]

CHRIS 01:01:39 Wait…hold on, maybe I should watch an episode first. Maybe it’s a stupid show.

CARL 01:01:44 I have no interest in reality TV. Oh, well.

MITCH 01:01:51 John Grisham says…

CARL 01:01:53 My voice is about to go…why don’t you just say it?

MITCH 01:01:55 One of the podcast guys really like how you have a combination of hosts, especially Mitch, asking
different types of questions from beginning to expert. I put that “about Mitch” thing in there, by myself. “I always like learning from other shooters, editors in terms of creative approaches, business, technology. You guys do a great job, keep it up! Signed, John.”

CHRIS 01:02:19 John Grisham, isn’t he an author? Or, that’s Grimson.

MITCH 01:02:24 Grisham…

CARL 01:02:26 Grimson.

MITCH 01:02:27 Did I say it wrong?

CARL 01:02:28 I wish…John, I wish you’d left your URL, because I would have been more than happy to tell
everybody about your company. Anytime you send your feedback, put your URL in there.

CHRIS 01:02:39 I think his URL is Oh, wait, that’s gmail. Never mind. We do appreciate the comment.

MITCH 01:02:48 Should I read his phone number out loud so everybody can call?

CARL 01:02:50 No, no, no. That would not be nice. That would be really bad. We appreciate that, John. Thanks for
listening to the show.

CHRIS 01:03:00 Area code 615, though. Where is that?

CARL 01:03:02 How do you guys feel about that answering questions and learning from others? I know that’s one
of the reasons I started this podcast. I learn so much from listening to our guests, and also you guys, too.

CHRIS 01:03:24 [laughter] Also? You know what? I think that you can equally learn from listening to experts and also listening to non-experts. I think some of the best things that I learned when I was getting into
television, I learned by watching mistakes on television. Like you’d see something happening, and
your mind would go, “Oh, that’s how that works.” I mean, one of these days I am going to do a
blog post about a mistake that I saw on the evening news once, and how it totally changed my
outlook of how to do a simple thing like putting a box over an anchor’s shoulder, you know?
Listen to experts, listen to people that aren’t experts because you can weed through and go, “Oh,
that’s interesting, yeah. That’s totally not the way to do that, so what would be the right way?”

CARL 01:04:26 I think that’s a good point. You think about Thomas Edison and his journey to perfect the electric
light bulb.

CHRIS 01:04:35 Wait a second, can we pause for a while? I want to think about Thomas Edison. Okay, I’m done, go

CARL 01:04:41 Good. So, he tried thousands of different materials. Thousands of different bulbs. But were they
different? I don’t know. All kinds of different stuff inside the bulbs. Finally, he came up with the
light bulb and our lives have never been the same sense.

CHRIS 01:05:02 Okay, just so you know.

CARL 01:05:07 What I’m trying to say is he failed thousands of times to have the success that we benefit with

CHRIS 01:05:15 You can watch entire episodes of Swamp People on YouTube. [laughter]

CARL 01:05:25 Is that kind of like a Creole type show or Cajun…?

CHRIS 01:05:31 It’s these guys, that they go out…

CARL 01:05:33 Alligator hunting?

CHRIS 01:05:34 Alligator hunting. They’re like the redneck version of The Crocodile Hunter.

MITCH 01:05:40 Did you guys ever see…I’m way off topic here…there was a show and I don’t remember what it
was called, reality show where they took some Hoosiers from Georgia, but they were rich and
they put them in Boston or some place.

CARL 01:05:55 We’re still reeling from Honey Boo-boo.

MITCH 01:05:57 Oh god, it was hilarious.

CHRIS 01:05:59 Is Honey Boo-boo from Atlanta?

CARL 01:06:01 It’s from Georgia, oh my word. Let’s get back to something good here. Martin Friedrich
says, “Dear Carl, Chris, and Mitch, just wanted to let you know how much I love your podcast. I
really appreciate all the time and effort you put into this. I travel quite a bit and just today, your
latest episode helped me over a long flight. I myself am a professional photographer in Munich,
Germany and since the arrival of the 5Dmark 2, rediscovered my love for telling stories with the
help of moving pictures. I am quite converged by now.

CHRIS 01:06:42 That’s awesome.

CARL 01:06:43 ”So, thanks again and keep it up.” Have you guys clicked on his link? Is it Marin Friedrich?

CHRIS 01:06:52 I’m going to say “Friedrich.”

CARL 01:06:54 Okay. So, let’s spell it out. M-A-R-T-I-N Go check out his photography,
it’s awesome.

MITCH 01:07:05 I want to know if, the bit about how it helped him over a long flight, if that means we put him to
sleep, so he could sleep through the whole thing. [laughter] Sorry.

CARL 01:07:19 Do you listen to podcasts when you fly?

MITCH 01:07:23 No, I don’t.

CARL 01:07:24 I don’t ever watch the movies on the plane. I don’t ever do that.

CHRIS 01:07:31 It’s a horrible experience. The audio is so bad.

CARL 01:07:35 Sometimes, I’ll listen to a podcast or two while I’m flying and it’s a pretty cool…it’s just a
cool experience, I think, to do that. I was down in South America and I listened to you guys when
you carried the load while I was away. That was pretty cool. Can you imagine? I’m walking along
Lago Llanquihue or walking out to the hill country there. I’m listening to the podcast as I go for my
long, long afternoon walk. It’s pretty cool. So, we have an international audience. We just want to
express our deep appreciation.

MITCH 01:08:21 Martin’s got some great stuff.

CHRIS 01:08:22 It is.

CARL 01:08:23 That’s some awesome, awesome photography. I’m just blown away.

CHRIS 01:08:27 I want Martin to contact me and tell me how he did the titles in The Crane, which is on his home

CARL 01:08:34 Oh, yeah, yeah. I’ve got to take a look at that, I’m sorry…

CHRIS 01:08:38 It’s just a very cool site. Thank you, Martin.

MITCH 01:08:42 Thank you, Martin.

CHRIS 01:10:27 I’m still digging on Martin’s stuff here. [laughter]

CARL 01:10:33 He’s a good photographer.

CHRIS 01:10:36 You know, good framing is something you can’t teach anybody, you just can’t. It’s just there. You
either have an eye for it or you don’t.

CARL 01:10:45 I don’t know. I think you can be taught if you have the passion to develop that framing, that eye
For it. I think you can. I don’t know…I guess some people are more predisposed toward it than
others. To me, there’s an 80/20 rule among people. I think for a long time, The Apple Microsoft thing was a reflection of that. Maybe not so much anymore, but I think there’s a small percentage of people who have an eye for the aesthetic and then the rest don’t care.

CHRIS 01:11:25 [laughter] I like it.

CARL 01:11:28 Right? I mean…it’s not a slight.

CHRIS 01:11:29 Absolutely.

CARL 01:11:33 It’s just the way…we’re all wired a little differently, I guess. Okay, guys. Cinema Room, I just
conveniently passed that up. Mitch sent me this cool link. I’ve always wanted a jet pack. Of course,
the problem with the Bell jet pack is it only lasts 20 seconds.

MITCH 01:11:56 Yikes.

CARL 01:11:57 You only have about 20 seconds and I think there’s a couple of vendors that have actually made
custom jet packs that go for 30 seconds. It’s pretty cool to see those work, but that’s not a whole
lot of time to fly. Here we are 2013 and I just wonder where in the world is our jet pack? I want to
put a GoPro on my helmet and have a jet pack and just fly all over the place. But now, I guess
there is a place we can do that. Devin Graham, videographer, film maker. Devin Graham
highlighted. You want to tell us about that, Mitch?

MITCH 01:12:33 I love Devin Graham and I’m going to try and get him on the show some time. I’ve swapped
emails with him before and he’s interested but we just haven’t worked out a time. He’s a young
kid that’s really making a name for himself over on that YouTube thing.

CARL 01:12:51 He’s out there doing this, that’s why we can’t pin him down. This guy’s out there seizing
opportunity left and right.

MITCH 01:12:58 He puts out a movie a week and he also puts out a “behind the scenes” with every one now,
which is really kind of awesome. Primarily, he’s shooting on HD SLRs as well as things like the
GoPro. So, he got in contact with these guys who have made this thing called the Fly Board which
is a water-pump kind of thing that apparently, they don’t really describe this, but apparently it
hooks up to a Jet Ski which is where the engine, I think, to suck the water up is. You strap your feet
in this thing, flaunt yourself up in the sky and you can do some maneuvers, and they show people
doing little dolphin trick, kind of things, which is really kind of awesome. You don’t get to fly
around, Carl, like you would like to, above the trees, around the world. But, it’s a good start, I
CARL 01:13:57 So, the fly board basically combines two fears into one – fear of water and fear of flying. [laughter]
It’s awesome to watch the video. Basically, just picture this board strapped to your feet with these two jet nozzles at the bottom of it and out shoots this water with enough thrust that you go airborne.

MITCH 01:14:21 It’s really cool.

CARL 01:14:22 It lasts as long as the Jet ski has gas to run the water pump.

MITCH 01:14:26 Right.

CARL 01:42:28 Of course, I did notice in the training bit where they talk about you’ve got to watch out for the guy
in the Jet ski.

CHRIS 01:14:34 I would imagine.

CARL 01:14:36 No kidding. You’ll not only kill him, you’ll kill yourself in the process.

MITCH 01:14:41 Yeah. I can see it as a dangerous sport.

CHRIS 01:14:44 Oh, yeah.

CARL 01:14:45 There’s another variant of this water jet pack. It looks like the more traditional jet pack. You strap
on this thing on your back. It’s got the nozzles that shoulder links so basically, you are using center
of gravity being positioned high up around your chest area. So, you’re going to have inherent
stability, relatively speaking, with the jetpack than you are with this. This is like you’re trying to
stand on something as the floor moves.

MITCH 01:15:16 Right.

CARL 01:15:18 Now it’s like an elevator moving back and forth. It takes a great deal of coordination to do that.

MITCH 01:15:24 The one you’re talking about I’ve seen before as well, with the jet pack on your back. Their little
motor that sucks the water actually travels with you, so you can move pretty far with that thing.

CARL 01:15:35 Yeah, and you’re not limited to that 20 or 30 second rocket flight with hydrogen peroxide, going
over a silver catalyst mesh, generating this extremely hot steam.

CHRIS 01:15:51 Wow, you have obviously researched this a bit.

CARL 01:15:53 Oh, man, I love jet packs. [laughter]

CHRIS 01:15:57 I just want a car that folds up into a brief case like George Jetson had.

CARL 01:16:01 You know, that’s what my wife says all the time. She says she’d like to have a George Jetson car.
She’s close, she has a Toyota Scion. If I put a couple stubby wings on it, it probably would fly. Alright, we’ve got to wrap this nonsensical show up here. Did you guys have any picks, product picks or tips that you wanted to talk about this week?

MITCH 01:16:25 I do, as a matter of fact.

CARL 01:16:27 Okay. What is that?

MITCH 01:16:29 A company sent me this a couple of months ago. I’ve been toying with it off and on. I’ve talked
about before, the folks over at Cinetics created a thing that was called the CineSquid that you could suction cup a camera to a window or to a car and shoot some stuff. They’ve taken the same upper parts and put a little base to it that they call a CineSkate. They call it the CineSkate Pro. The thing I like about it is it’s adaptable. You can use several different configurations with the same kit. They just announced the CineSkate Pro and they’ve got a great little promo which makes me laugh every time I watch it. We’ll post the link to their promo.

CARL 01:17:22 Very good. I’ll be glad to do that. How about you, Mr. Fenwick?

CHRIS 01:17:28 I think I’ve mentioned this, I may have mentioned it.

CARL 01:17:32 The Swamp…

MITCH 01:42:22 [laughter]

CHRIS 01:17:34 Swamp people, contact me at No, I’m going to make a recommendation. I think
recently I mentioned that I am retiring my first USB mouse I ever bought.

MITCH 01:17:46 No.

CHRIS 01:17:47 The Logitech mouse I bought back in 2001 I believe, and I have moved to another Logitech mouse
and it is the M500. I will say the thing about mice is they’re very particular, they have to fit your hand. It’s the point where you touch the computer. The M500 has a really cool scroll wheel that has inertia so when you flick it, you can scroll through a long page very effortlessly. It also has a little clutch on that scroll wheel, which is a little push button above the scroll wheel, where you can turn the inertia off so it only moves when you push it. But I have literally, for over a year, been in the market of finding my replacement mouse, because my old trusty, USB Logitech is starting to die and I am all over this Logitech M500. It feels great. The inertia wheel is awesome. It’s got a good weight. It’s not so small that it feels weird in an average size hand.

CARL 01:18:59 Do you have any problems with tunnel carpal or anything like that?

CHRIS 01:19:05 On my mouse hand, no. Oddly enough, I do so many keyboard shortcuts that I have been getting
some carpal tunnel issues in my left hand, believe it or not. Primarily, because on a Mac you use your thumb on the command key. Now, imagine going like command H to hide something or command G to group something, and you notice the way your index finger wraps over your thumb, and your thumb sort of collapses underneath your palm as you reach over for that, that has been giving me some problems. But, I sit and then I heat it and then I ice it, and then I heat it. You go back and forth while you’re watching a half hour of TV. I have a double-sided bucket with ice on one side and hot tap water on the other side. That actually does a whole lot to repair the hand.

CARL 01:19:55 I used to have a lot of problems, especially in the shoulder. I guess it was because I was
subconsciously holding my arm up. I don’t know what I was doing when I would use the mouse.

CARL 01:20:06 Your right shoulder?

CHRIS 01:20:07 Yeah. It would just drive me insane. I would get so sore, so for the last two years I’ve been using
the Magic Trackpad. I don’t even use a mouse. I don’t even have a mouse. I use the Trackpad for
everything, and I love it.

CHRIS 01:20:23 I do not condone that behavior.

CARL 01:20:24 I know you don’t condone that behavior, but it’s awesome. With practice, you get very accurate
with it.

CHRIS 01:20:32 I got this thing at Office Depot or something.

CARL 01:20:36 I got mine at Apple, so there.

CHRIS 01:20:37 Wooo.

CARL 01:20:39 Well, that’s cool. Check that out. I’m not arguing that it’s not…

CHRIS 01:20:44 I know. I won’t take offence. It’s just a mouse, Carl. You’ll still be my friend even if you do use a track pad.

CARL 01:20:50 I’m glad we got the air cleared on that. I was getting worried.

CHRIS 01:20:54 I want to read a quote in closing, if we’re close to closing.

CARL 01:20:55 Okay.

CHRIS 01:21:00 I got this from…the guy’s name is Massimo Vignelli and he was in the 2007 documentary called Helvetica. In that movie…which is all about the font and the importance of the font throughout the history of topography. If you haven’t seen it and you care even…if you’re one of those 20% that Carl mentioned earlier that actually cares, watch this movie. It’s fantastic. Have you guys ever seen it?

MITCH 01:21:26 No.

CARL 01:21:27 I have not seen it in its entirety, no.

CHRIS 01:21:30 I love it. Anyway, Massimo Vignelli, he was featured in the film. He says, “The life of a designer is a life of fight. Fight against the ugliness.” I think as artists and as cinematographers and as editors, that’s what we do. We fight against that 80% that say, “Oh, that’s good enough.” It’s like no, I don’t want it to be good enough. I want it to be better. Sometimes, you just have to do that. It might mean putting in a few extra hours, even if you’re not going to get paid for it. But, that’s what we do in this business, is we fight for that extra 20% or that extra 10% or maybe even that extra 5%. That is what I would like to leave us with.

CARL 01:22:11 Wow, what an awesome note to leave on. That is so good. I like that. Chris, where can they find out about you and your other witticisms?

CHRIS 01:22:24 and we mentioned it earlier, go watch the tutorial I just posted today or last night about how to use a Sparse disk with Final Cut 10 and how to set one up. It’s good stuff.

CARL 01:22:38 Alright, very good. And it is good. I watched the tutorial early this morning. Very nicely done. Alright, Mr. Planet Mitch?

MITCH 01:22:46 Some place called with new forums, ever expanding universe.

CARL 01:22:52 Again, when will that happen? When will we see the new forums added?

MITCH 01:22:56 This weekend some time.

CARL 01:22:57 Excelente, excelente. You can find me at DigitalFilm.TV and I am also on Twitter pretentiously as The Carl Olson, so that’s probably the best way to track me down. [laughter] I’d like to give a special thank you to our sponsors, CrumplePop, film and broadcast effects for Final Cut Pro. And we’d like to ask you guys to please, please continue to rate us on iTunes, leave feedback.

MITCH 01:24:10 Tell your friends.

CARL 01:24:11 Tell a friend, yeah. Tell a friend you found this fun little podcast and have them subscribe to it and
listen to it.

CHRIS 01:24:18 Go to your local Apple store and subscribe on all of the demo machines.

CARL 01:42:26 You’ve done that too, huh?


CHRIS 01:24:30 The things we do for marketing.

MITCH 01:24:32 It only lasts a day, guys. Come on.

CHRIS 01:24:35 But you can go back tomorrow and do the same thing.

CARL 01:24:37 That sounds like Pinky and the Brain. Okay, so continue to send us your feedback and your question. Before long, we’ll have another Q&A show like we did last week. It’s pretty cool, huh?

CHRIS 01:24:48 Yep.

CARL 01:24:49 Wow, I guess that’s about it, guys. It’s time to take The Time Tunnel. We’ll jump ahead and we’ll do another show seven days from now. Thank you for listening. [music] Maximize retrieval power!

by DConvergence
February, Feb 20th, 2013

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